Marc Guehi and Sam Morsy are peaceful dominating the Mailbox however one Liverpool fan clearly wouldn’t prefer him any place terminate to his membership.
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Has Marc Guehi screwed himself?
Challenging to read the total comments on Morsy and Guehi. I’m impressed at G Thomas, Mithram and Clive now no longer working out the purpose of the argument to the purpose it nearly looks intentional. It’s personal beliefs yes, however its’ hiding on the back of the defence of ‘my faith tells me to’ as if it’s now no longer his fault.
So yes G Thomas, Morsy is asserting he’s homophobic however with out the truth is asserting it. No Mithran, being born into discriminatory beliefs is now no longer a defence. And you no doubt don’t earn to physically/verbally abuse someone sooner than you a regarded as a racist/homophobe etc Clive. Straightforward gestures cherish this from Morsy and Guehi invent the total talking. Also, freedom of speech is now no longer the linked to asserting the rest with out repercussion.
This gesture from Morsy and Guehi is an inaugurate, seen heart finger to someone now no longer straight and frankly I cant mediate an armband is causing such an topic for these two. If it’s this kind of burden then they ought to earn appropriate handed armband on for per week or two. As a membership captain, the tasks unfold a long way and representing the membership is even handed one of them.
You don’t safe to select and judge what tasks that it’s also possible to merely earn and don’t safe to select and judge what bits of your faith that you just would possibly maybe maybe uphold with out transferring. What are they alarmed about? Carrying an armband doesn’t out them as homosexual and nor does it point out they partake in any actions which would possibly maybe maybe be. It’s now no longer some magic cloth that ‘turns’ them homosexual both. It’s appropriate a runt bit unfamiliar for them to be so skittish of it.
Incidentally, I’ve written to Ipswich to inquire why its ok for the membership captain to be outspoken on this topic, however at ease with gambling and alcohol. He is permitted to wear a shirt with out a sponsor – Chelsea had a total team of them this season take into accout. Why now no longer appropriate invent that Mr Morsy? Or Mr Guehi? I cant balance the thought that a one off gesture will ship them to a lifetime in purgatory however a total season is the truth is sparkling. Just appropriate for reference;
- Morsy performed over 30 instances for Middlesbrough in the 2020-21 season the set aside their kit sponsor became once gambling company 32Red
- Morsy additionally performed over 40 instances for Wigan Athletic in the 2019-20 season the set aside their kit sponsor became once gambling company kb88.
- ITFC are currently partnered with gambling company 8xbet, who additionally are a sister company of gambling firm BK8 currently uncovered as having overtly explicit adult advertising
- In the two seasons preceding Morsy’s arrival on the membership, ITFC’s kit became once backed by gambling company Magical Vegas
- Morsy has additionally performed in the FA Cup when it became once backed by Budweiser
Alcohol, gambling and immodest behaviour. All sins, all denounced by Islam, all fully sparkling to flip a blind spy to. But an armband for a one off recreation is the line that cant be crossed? This isn’t faith, it’s personal prejudice masquerading as faith and it’s admitting it with out the truth is asserting the words.
But now I additionally mediate implications for the two of them. Morsy is 33 and has 18 months to head on his contract, he’ll likely spy it out and collapse the leagues for the closing few years of his occupation so likely obtained’t earn to face this all over again. But Marc Guehi? Has he appropriate wrecked his possibilities of a colossal chase now? Of the clubs which would possibly maybe maybe be a step up and would possibly maybe maybe manage to pay for him and additionally desire a fresh CB – Liverpool obtained’t contact him now, presumably Newcastle however they will likely be browsing a runt bit more cost effective. Chelsea presumably however they already earn an even few CBs on the books.
Also wonder about England, would or now no longer it’s that that you just would possibly maybe maybe mediate he’s slipped down the rankings by design of selection? Has he now set aside himself firmly in the bracket of “on stand by for tournaments”, the model of player who’s picked in the preliminary 30 community however now no longer in the final 23? I’m potentially over thinking the repercussions to be appropriate however the final say I’d ward off is that Messrs Guehi and Morsy (and some mailbox contributors) invent earn to like what tolerance the truth is is.
Savo, LFC
How can Sam Morsy be proved ‘true’?
G Thomas in the Mailbag has said that “historical previous will demonstrate” Sam Morsy “true” once “this virtue signalling nonsense is lengthy forgotten.”
I would take care of for G Thomas to elaborate on exactly what goes to happen in the next few years to lead to this scenario? Does he mediate that homosexual folks will merely safe bored stiff with being homosexual and discontinue? Or maybe they will likely be eradicated as a change and we are able to omit all about them?
This is the ingredient with these true-cruise snowflakes. Scratch the skin of their “topic for freedom of speech” act even a cramped bit and also you stammer an fully illiberal ideology which precisely denies the existence of folks that aren’t cherish them.
LGBT folks exist, and would possibly maybe maybe merely continue to invent so. They play in your football team, they take a seat beside you in the stands, they take a seat across from the dinner desk from you at Christmas. Yes, even you G Thomas.
How historical previous would possibly maybe maybe presumably demonstrate Sam Morsy “true” in this case is beyond me, bar a total and violent campaign of intolerance and oppression. If that’s what you cherish to earn, as a minimum issue it along with your chest, and discontinue hiding on the back of this paper-thin veneer of Defender of Free Speech. No one buys it.
Matt, Dublin
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…Hundreds the “you issue you’re tolerant, however then you definately criticise the illiberal” ‘argument’ in the mailbox this morning. Be taught to take cling of some criticism, you whiny, whiny infants.
Jim, LFC
…Nice to hear from G Thomas, The Netherlands; “See on the hatred on the dependable-Palestinian and trans-activists’ faces after they’re demonstrating”.
I would wait on Mr Thomas to overview what number of Palestinian footballers were murdered all around the closing 14 months by the nation peaceful allowed to stay in football no topic these crimes, and safe back to us all on what real “hatred” seems cherish.
Form regards,
Jon, Southampton, UK
…There’s an graceful asymmetry occurring right here that the identical previous EDL-lite Brexit crowd fail to miss, because bigotry tends to fabricate hilarious scenarios cherish these!
On the one hand, we earn got the “we earn to discuss immigration SMALL BOATS” crowd, the ones who’re first to leap on any negative news merchandise featuring Muslims and “grooming gangs”. They for positive, ignore that publicly on hand House Spot of job statistics pronounce that grooming gang offences are overwhelmingly dedicated by white males – the yarn is made up our minds! Who needs info when selective cherry-picking will invent! What we are in total as a change told by followers of feeble House Secretary Suella Braverman is that “Islam is incompatible with British values” (or as Kendrick would issue, “They’re Not Relish Us”!)
So think regarding the hilarious paradox we now watch, after we by shock safe out that the truth is, Islam CAN be “cherish minded with British Values” – however finest when it entails someone Muslim punching down on stable minorities or girls folk! Purchased it. So it’s “Woke” to care about exhibiting illustration for the LGBTQ+ community by merely wearing a f****g armband because “FREE SPEECH”.
But for positive, it for sure is NOT Woke when our dear FAKE TOMMY ROBINSON PATRIOTS, are the usage of Stasi-cherish language to denounce and harangue someone who chooses to screech their true to wear, or now no longer wear, a Poppy. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Bigotry as ever, dressed up as freedom of change, by these who in total least mediate in Staunch change (cherish the true to asylum, the true for girls folk to invent selections about Their bodies, the true for a man to take care of 1 other man etc)
Stewie Griffin
…Hooooo boy!
Some agitated folks in the mailbox this morning sad with Mr Tickner’s part on Sam Morsy.
Gonna watch out now no longer to tumble into standard determine calling and dust slinging right here however fundamentally right here’s my take into memoir. I recognise tokenistic acts aren’t universally well-liked and ought to be the truth is followed up with meaningful movement however right here’s the ingredient: opposing the that that you just would possibly maybe maybe mediate (given the FA and PL, doable) tokenistic movement with out providing the rest meaningful as a change isn’t fearless. It appropriate continues the most up-to-date scenario of racism/homophobia/misogyny etc.
Except for positive you don’t mediate that is an topic, by which case YOU are the distress.
Personally, I haven’t any topic with Morsy or any dependable footballer opting out of a campaign however would favor some assorted invent of movement to be taken by individual or membership to contend with the topic at hand. No-one must be forced to wear an merchandise under chance of abuse and pariah divulge………..cherish James McClean, as an illustration.
Andy, beforehand London now Cambridge (by design of all around the set aside)
Don’t denigrate the true
Your mailbox this morning is launched with the sub-heading “Sam Morsy dominates the Mailbox because the true attain out in enhance of a Muslim because that’s how the ‘anti-woke’ agenda works now”.
It’s smartly-established and finest that a paper or media outlet be in a position to retain and relay opinions, and I don’t mediate someone who has read your location sooner than would possibly maybe maybe sensibly claim to be bowled over on the location’s political opinions. In the event that they don’t cherish it, they are able to read something else.
On the change hand, the editor can also merely cherish to replicate on the wording former. The implication is that someone who has true-leaning political opinions would now no longer in most cases “enhance a Muslim”. It additionally looks to implicitly reject the thought that they will likely be Muslim themselves.
There is a a runt bit weird opportunity on this football location for a reasoned political dialogue to happen with written arguments from all sides. Some minds will likely be modified one design or the quite a lot of in step with it. But denigrating the entirety of “the true” in the device that it’s also possible to merely earn risks dropping that chance, and for what looks to be runt to no attain.
T. Watson
…The Morsy/Guehi topic the truth is must be a non-narrative the set aside a modern society is fervent. Other folks must be given all avenues to spice up and champion whatever causes they mediate are mighty of such effort. Yes, even the unpopular true and extra conservative-leaning of us must be given air to pronounce our beliefs. It’s the suitable design this species will safe something of the peace that has eluded us to this point.
It’s came a pair of couple of instances in Ligue 1, a nation with a colossal contingent of immigrants and electorate with heritage from Muslim/Arab worldwide locations. Avid gamers refuse to be part of in or in a single design blackout messages of enhance for the LGBT+ community.
I mediate it’s on the total more fit when enhance for any divulge off, from the political to the spiritual is organic and all participants are fully attentive to what it methodology after they lend their voices to these causes.
I admire McLean for refusing to play with a poppy on his chest. He made up our minds in opposition to becoming a member of remembrance and enhance for that particular divulge off and he is smartly interior his rights to invent this.
As this web pages and tons various smartly-that methodology ones stress, gamers are human. Humans with varying backgrounds, beliefs and label programs. It’s what makes the PL this kind of design, there would possibly be exact diversity in every line-up, squad and even the executive infrastructure of so many clubs.
Moralising to and telling these what they are able to and can’t invent when it’s helpful is now no longer going to invent unheard of for any divulge off. And I’d unheard of rather a player decline than puff their chest out finest to label in to play in a nation the set aside the divulge off they supposedly champion is criminalised.
Emmanuel, Abuja
P.S. The news about United gamers declining to wear a jacket on Mazraoui’s behalf is appropriate coming out and is further proof of idea. Let folks champion the causes they mediate in. It’s the suitable design we’ll all be taught.
Free speech and all that
A reminder on what free speech methodology.
Sam Morsy is allowed to now no longer wear an armband.
We’re allowed to call him a bigot this capability that.
Each and every sides signify free speech.
I agree with Tickner, that it’s also possible to merely now no longer – right here’s additionally free speech.
Form regards,
A Grown Up
(P.s. Wooded space doing bulky, woo!)
It’s appropriate gesture politics
Just appropriate my two cents on the scorching Morsy/Guehi controversy.
Before all the pieces, cherish poppies, if gamers are forced to wear something under chance of punishment or opprobrium, the so-known as pronounce of enhance doesn’t mean the rest. If I became once homosexual, I’d rather gamers had been allowed to invent their very cling decision and NOT wear an armband than wear one under compulsion.
But my predominant point is, invent these gestures the truth is raise out the rest meaningful? Is any homophobe the truth is going to stare upon these trinkets and mediate, “Neatly, I didn’t approve of homosexuality sooner than, however now that I’ve seen these laces…”?
Per chance the next gesture would be for clubs and gamers to donate a pair of of their nice cash to initiatives that enhance these causes?
Form regards,
Sam E
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…A number of years ago I became once procuring some Dreamies cat treats and the equipment had a rainbow banner on it with a “proudly supporting LGBTQ rights” message. Dreamies are made by Mars, who promote a mess of products in worldwide locations cherish Saudi Arabia. They’re now no longer proudly supporting the rest, it’s appropriate advertising. There’s runt distinction with folks, namely in our hyper-individualised, self-promoting on-line world.
Taking the knee. Rainbow armbands. Rainbow laces. Surroundings your profile picture to a sunless sq.. Commenting “This.” under some submit or assorted. Whereas the intentions are no query noble, it’s achieving nothing the least bit because nothing is at stake. Those rainbow armbands are sanctioned by the league, Sky ride a banner for BLM etc. You’re now no longer “sticking it to the individual” when “the individual” is slightly chuffed to platform you.
These items earn that methodology when there would possibly be something on the line. Footballers folded when faced with a booking in Qatar. Imagine what the league’s response would be if a player namely known as out Qatar over LGBTQ rights or their remedy of migrant workers and beIn Sports threatened to pull their rights equipment? He’d be dragged over the coals and it wouldn’t happen all over again.
All these are empty gestures, in total sold under a guise of something cherish “elevating consciousness”, however all they devise is invent the individual individual/company gaze or the truth is feel higher while doing nothing tangible the least bit. Must you cherish to earn to invent a change, make investments your most treasured commodity: time.
Rep entangled with or setup an LGBTQ supporters community, have interaction along with your membership about their provisions for disabled followers; whatever your particular divulge off is, the truth is safe your palms dirty and try to invent a distinction. Otherwise, you’re appropriate pointing at banners and slogans and doing nothing the least bit.
In assorted words, being passive modern.
Lewis, Busby Formula
